Thursday, March 27, 2008

Ideology: Significant Ways of Thinking



Is it possible to be "good/true" to your family (as Dan Evans is) while being "good/true" to yourself (as Ben Wade is)? William Munny has this same issue/problem. Without a wife and much income, he needs money to provide for his two kids. In fact, both of these films have money as a core issue.

14 comments:

  1. ummmmm yes becouse if you are true to others then you are true to your self. that and if you need so help and you are mean they might not help you out. SO BE KIND AND DON"T GO AROUND KILLING PEAPLE!!!

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  2. Some cases you maybe not true to yourself but staying true to your family. like if you need money you will do stuff despirate to save you family. like killing those two cowboys. He wanted to provide for his kids. "guns dont kill people, but south does" jkin haha

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  3. Don't the good guys always have family obligations? The bad guys never do, though they probably have children all over the territory. Imagine how many illegitimate children the prostitutes must have had. Ben Wade might have 15 of his own in various towns on the frontier.

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  4. Great point, Adam: Lil' Bill might be racist. For sure, he hates assassins. For sure, he overdoes it when he beats Ned (who actually did not do anything wrong, except for solicit prostitution upstairs at Skinny's "billiards" establishment). It is disgusting that they put Ned's body on display, like it was a trophy buck or something. Because they do this (and other reasons), we cheer for William Munny, a known thief and murderer, a definite scoundrel. William Munny is the personification of the Western mythological (anti-)hero!

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  5. A parent has to sacrifice a lot to ensure the health and happiness of the children. In a way, William Munny had to revert back to his former self to avenge Ned. William also had to go for the money--or did he? He could have survived on the prairie with his two blond kids, couldn't he? Or, did he become bloodthirsty again? With his wife gone, he might have had the savagery return in the form of the Schofield Kid. Regardless, he is one tough ol' boy. And Will is cool under pressure, too. While all the other men are blazing away with their guns, he calmly lets their bullets whiz by his face and sends bullets directly into their chests.

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  6. i think if you have the right morals and values in life than it is easy to be true to both yourself and others.

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  7. Of course most people will do anything to help out their own famalies when needed... I think if Ben Wade had a real family he would help them...but his gang is his only family so he helps them as they help him...... until the end that is haha

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  8. Yes it is possible to be good and true to your family but when the s***t gets deep you need to survie you take what you can get. When Munny is loyal to his wife by say he is cured of his drinking but when his friend dies and it gets deep again you do what you need to do to honor that person and you.

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  9. Jessi--you are wise far beyond your years. Your life experiences have shaped your wisdom and you are in good shape to handle future challenges. Life is a constant wisdom-collection exercise, isn't it?

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  10. Michael--You're right. It isn't until Ned is unjustly killed that William Munny's old nasty side comes out. Sure, he kills the cowboy in the Badlands-looking spot, but he does that out of supposed necessity/ethics (remember: he heard that the cut-up woman was truly and signficantly dismembered and amputated). Sure, he helps the Schofield Kid kill the guy in the outhouse, but that was necessity/ethics, too. His great friend, Ned, is dead, so Will takes revenge, indeed.

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  11. Tommy--great point. Ben Wade has adopted his gang as his "brothers" or "sons" or "cousins." They are his family. Charlie Prince and the others would die for Ben Wade (a couple of them do in the beginning as Ben Wade safely pushes the cows down the hillside, two of his men are shot by the Pinkerton lawmen). Family is a major motif and theme in these films. V has no family, either, until he sort of adopts Evey. And family is huge for Derek Vinyard.

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  12. I think it is possible to be true to both as long as you aren't going against what you think. In some familys they follow the same things that they think are right so it would be easy to be true to both.

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  13. life is a constant collection of wisdom you go everyday making decisions some will change alot others wont change much of anything the problem is you never know what will do what so you have to try your hardest to think about the choices you make to do what is best for not only you but the people your decision could also affect. At the end of the day you will have learned something new and you will have gained the knowledge to make more good decisions later and correct the bad ones you have made before.

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  14. Impressive wisdom, Jessi. And fine awareness, Eric.

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