2. Research and read about the Georgia Guidestones. Presume the dad and boy were looking for these. What do the Guidestones say? How valuable and viable are the Guidestones in the apocalypse the novel presents?
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Friday, November 20, 2020
Philosophy/Abstraction & Georgia Guidestones—due November 30
1. Type 4 philosophical, abstract sections word-for-word (verbatim) from the book. Include page numbers. These are not concrete parts of description or verbal dialogue, but reflections on existence. Are these parts cool? Interesting? Necessary? Why?
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For number 1. I wanted to talk about how Confucianism is relevant to the subject matter in The Road. Some of it does relate to how even in the direst of tragic parts of our lives, we can move on and improve ourselves without the need to inflict pain or misery towards others. We saw how the father at times, seems to hint at ending his son's own life but learn more than how that is a pretty bad idea in itself. He then tries to go and bond with his son to show that he himself still has humanity in him. Which in turn would let the boy finally meet the "good guys" without harming them and see how human kindness and empathy still live even in the apocalypse.
For number 2. From what I can gather from the Guidestones is that they are some kind of message for people for when an apoclypic situation, lessons of how to bring to earth and humanity back from the brink of extinction in a ruined world. They seem to be in favor of a democratic society and replication of things like the United States Government but with some tweaks to let the states be in more control than in congress.
Georgia Guidestones? It’s 20 feet of granite slabs. Built for a ceremonial site, a religious destination, a place for royalty to final rest. What makes it so special? It helps us understand the bronze age ceremonial and neolithic, and the mortuary practices. it shows us what they wanted us to want and not want. It talks about the future generation and is a basic message “let these be Guidestones to an age of reason” so to me it talks about how we could learn from the past and grow from it rather than trying to go back to the past. They are a lot of messed up things in the past that we need to make sure never happen angina. Like slaves, killing, war, and much much more. Some people think things like that should back and he should do are older generations did. But look what happened to them, they had to fight and fight over and over again. Wouldnt it be nicer to have some peace and quiet and just enjoy our lives. You never know where you're going to die. it talks about beauty and love and peace, that what we should want not blood and war. this is why they left it there for us to see and learn to see the good things in life. it wants us to love the earth and make sure nature still has a place in our lives. how many times a week do you go and sit by a tree and enjoy the wind? not much because it's winter but still, remembered what was here first and what will still be here after us. the earth is going to outlive us all whether we want it to or not. we have no power over the earth and what happens. if a planet was going to crash into us we probably couldn't do anything about that. we like to think we are the most powerful thing but we aren't, not even close. I don't think the boy and father would really care if they saw the Georgia Guidestones because they cant fix the apocalypse.
The number one thing that I want to talk about and that I'm interested in the book is letting everything go, things not going your way, and wanting things back, but you can’t. Throughout the book the father and son always and sometimes thought things were going to get better or not. At the end of the book the father died and the son lived and encountered some people who would be willing to help him as he helps them. After finishing the book and since we have to do this the guidestones that I looked up give me something to understand and what the book symbolizes and what the characters in the book should’ve understood. The guidestones tell me that my friends/families and I should learn about situations like this, how to be prepared for it, how to survive it, and what to do. Not only is the guidestone that it’s a capstone that lies on top of the five slabs, which are astronomically aligned. An additional stone tablet, which is set in the ground a short distance to the west of the structure, provides some notes on the history and purpose of the guidestones. The structure is sometimes referred to as an "American Stonehenge.” The monument is 19 feet 3 inches (5.87 m) tall, made from six granite slabs weighing 237,746 pounds (107,840 kg) in all. The guidestones have an apparent advocacy of population control, eugenics, and internationalism. Those are the things that state what the book is trying to tell to me and other readers that they’re trying to do. The people are trying to get along, trying to keep things distant, and trying to fight for humanity. After learning about this more people should learn everything about this when they read the book or when an apocalypse will possibly happen for real. Not only is it just stone, it can also be used as a function as a compass, calendar, and clock. The guidestones are located in Elbert County, Georgia. This reminds me of the time where ancient tribes and cultures predicted that the world was going to end in 2012, but they were wrong and we’re still here. Although we’re still fighting through tough situations as of right now.
Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
Unite humanity with a living new language.
Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Balance personal rights with social duties.
Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.
These are telling us to be in peace with each other throughout our hell in the apocalypse and to yell at us to keep humanity and nature at a steady balance and I know one thing that would help keep humanity un 500,000,000; a despair induced event. De·spair, noun, the complete loss or absence of hope. Verb, lose, or be without hope. What is this despair event you may ask, well let’s take the plot of Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc and put it on the playing field this is what the despair event is: in Tokyo, there is a school for the elite students who excel in what they do in where the twin super highschool level despair has already infiltrated the school as a super highschool level model and the super highschool level soldier with them staying on the down-low, they have caused the greatest despair incident in the whole world resulting in the Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair crew to turn to the dark side craving the sweet juices of despair resulting in the death of millions and a killing game to start with the Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc crew leaving 6 people alive (originally 16 but the soldier was practically playing the assistant role making it 15) turning the whole school into a graveyard for the killed. The despair event is worldwide resulting in the Americas, Africa, Europe, Japan, and Australia into one big murder spree in where the vox populi put on sadistic bear masks and just shanking anybody they please, but there’s still a shred of sanity within the Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc crew (I’m not talking about the super highschool level serial killer who is practically hidden within the super high school level literary girl, but that side still helps out) resulting in the super highschool level HOPE (the first game at the end, not the second) solving every single case over and over and busting their butts a get out of jail free card
One out of four is this “Query: How does the never to be differ from what never was.” “Dark of the invisible moon. The nights now only slightly less black. By day the banished sun circles the earth like a grieving mother with a lamp.” (pg. 32) The second out of four“Riched dreams new which he was loathe to wake from. Things no longer known in the world. The cold drove him forth to mend the fire. Memory of her crossing the lawn toward the house in the early morning in a thin rose gown that clung to her breasts. He thought each memory recalled must do some violence to its origins. As in a party game. Say the word and pass it on. So be sparing. What you alter in the remembering has yet a reality, known or not.” (pg. 131) The third out of four is “Once there were brook trout in the streams in the mountains. You could see them standing in the amber current where the white edges of their fins wimpled softly in the flow. They smelled of moss in your hand. Polished and muscular and torsional. On their backs were vermiculate patterns that were maps of the world in its becoming. Maps and mazes. Of a thing which could not be put back. Not be made right again. In the deep glens where they lived all things were older than man and they hummed of mystery.” (pg. 286-287) The fourth out of four is“Perhaps in the world's destruction it would be possible at last to see how it was made. Oceans, mountains. The ponderous counter spectacle of things ceasing to be. The sweeping waste, hydroptic, and coldly secular. The silence.” (pg. 274)
The Georgia Guidestones is a granite monument in Elbert County, Georgia and it is dated back to 1980. There are ten set guidelines that are inscribed on the structure in eight modern languages. A shorter message is inscribed at the top of the structure and it is scripted in four ancient languages. The structure stands at 19 feet and 3 inches and there are six granite slabs that weigh 237,746 pounds. If something goes wrong with this world and someone finds us all gone this guideline will tell them what he or she would have to do to start a new world and help people understand these guidelines.
Meier
We like to be social because we can get more friends that way and you get to know other peoples opinions on things. It helps you get over speaking in front of people if you have that fear. We need to be social so we are not by ourselves all the time and so we don’t have depression and be by ourselves all the time. Being alone is not good for you. Wwe like to interact with others because it gives us someone to talk to about things and it lets us get known from other people. People will start to call you out and say your name in public more. More people will know you. Some people are gregarious because they were raised that way or they just grew to have it. SOmetimes people get over their fear and start talking to people to over the fear and to push through the pain of the fear. I don’t think I am gregarious because I don’t like to talk in front of people.I also feel that I am gregarious because I talk to alot of people outside of groups of people. Communication is valuable and important because we need to get out into the world and not stay in like our room or house because we could possibly get depression or separation anxiety and those things do not feel good. We need to communicate just in case we don’t know exactly what they are meaning or trying to say by gestures or other ways of speaking. Speaking to other people is important because we can learn new sayings or words and learn how to talk in a better way. We need to communicate to learn new languages and learn different words that you may not know or understand. I think gregarious is a good things to be because you can get to know more people and you can get over a fear if you have it.
On page #4 it says “if he is not the word of god then god never spoke” , I think this means that the boy is the dads whole world and that god made him to be the greatest kid out there. He made the kid able to do anything he would want to do if he put his mind to it. The dad thinks that the kid is the world because that is all he has left and he protects and loves him very much. He teaches the kid how to live if he was by himself so when the dad passes then he could survive and keep moving forward South. This is necessary because it shows that you can do anything you put your mind to and you can have people there for you if you let them and you know who is good for you and who is not.
McCulley
One out of four is this “Perhaps in the world's destruction it would be possible at last to see how it was made. Oceans, mountains. The ponderous counter spectacle of things ceasing to be. The sweeping waste, hydroptic, and coldly secular. The silence.” (The Road by Cormac McCarthy) (pg. 274) The second out of four “Once there were brook trout in the streams in the mountains. You could see them standing in the amber current where the white edges of their fins wimpled softly in the flow. They smelled of moss in your hand. Polished and muscular and torsional. On their backs were vermiculate patterns that were maps of the world in its becoming. Maps and mazes. Of a thing which could not be put back. Not be made right again. In the deep glens where they lived all things were older than man and they hummed of mystery.” (pg. 286-287) The third out of four is “Query: How does the never to be differ from what never was.” “Dark of the invisible moon. The nights now only slightly less black. By day the banished sun circles the earth like a grieving mother with a lamp.” (pg. 32) The fourth out of four is “Riched dreams new which he was loathe to wake from. Things no longer known in the world. The cold drove him forth to mend the fire. Memory of her crossing the lawn toward the house in the early morning in a thin rose gown that clung to her breasts. He thought each memory recalled must do some violence to its origins. As in a party game. Say the word and pass it on. So be sparing. What you alter in the remembering has yet a reality, known or not.” (pg. 131) The Georgia Guidestones is a granite monument erected in 1980 in Elbert County, Georgia. There are ten set guidelines that are inscribed on the structure in eight modern languages and a shorter message is inscribed at the top of the structure and it is scripted in four ancient languages. The structure stands at 19 feet and 3 inches and weighs 237,746 pounds. It is made out of six granite slabs. If something goes wrong with this world and someone finds us all gone this guideline will tell them what he or she would have to do to start a new world and help people understand these guidelines. Pages 274, 286-287, 32, and 131. I feel like all of them are really good and will explain why. 32 is powerful because it actually talks about how the darkness is powerful and how it affects them in multiple ways. This one is really necessary because it talks about the night and the moon. 131 this one is very interesting just the fact that it is his past. I like it because it gives him hope in a way because it is talking about the mother I think and that the father is trying to live for the kid in memory of his mom. That's what I think. 274 this is cool because it is talking about how the world is made. But it talks about waste, cold, and silence. So it has a double meaning. It is good but bad at the same time. 286-287 this is awesome because it talked about the mountains and the stream in the mountains. It gives the boy happiness because there is a better place out there. The Georgia Guidestones say 1) Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. 2) Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity. 3) Unite humanity with a living new language. 4) Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason. 5) Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts. 6) Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court. 7) Avoid petty laws and useless officials. 8) Balance personal rights with social duties. 9) Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite. 10) Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature. If something ever did happen it would be really useful just the fact that someone has something to go off of. Someone would try and rebuild the Earth and the people. Someone would come out on top and help other people. They would be useful because they are in different languages. There will be a compilation but someone will make it right and rebuild.
Pfeiffer
The georgia guidestones are a stone monument in Elbert County,Georgia.there is a set of ten guidelines inscribed in this monument. One slab is arranged in the cent with four around it. A capstone lies on top of the five slabs and are all astronomically aligned.1.Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.2 Guide reproduction wisely improving fitness and diversity.3 Unite humanity with a living new language.4 Rule passion faith tradition and all things with tempered reason.5 Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.6 Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.7 Avoid petty laws and useless officials.8 Balance personal rights with social duties.9 Prize truth beauty love seeking harmony with the infinite.10 Be not a cancer on the Earth Leave room for nature Leave room for nature. These inscriptions are written in 8 different languages. They create a sense of knowledge and religion that we are not used to. Limitations on normal things is what i'm referencing like number two, some people are reckless with sexual interaction causing a sense de- evolution.
“There is no later, I have you” pg 58. I believe this quote means that the son is the reason he is here now. If the son had disappeared or died the father would not have a reason to be living. Family is his only motivation to keep going and that became to be not enough to keep going. “Good guys” pg 140 this is said all along the book by the son. This quote can mean many things in our lives, but in the book it means that the people who are “Good Guys” have qualities of brave people who want peace and will limit themselves in their survival situation. The father and son could have ate people,robbed them, done other bad things to them, but they did not causing them to be the “Good Guys”. “What are you? They had no way to answer that question.” pg 162 the book says this because they do not really have a full answer at this point. The world has caused people to not require an identity so their name does not really matter, they are not the same people they were before the chaos began, so they can not say who they were because it would be invalid at the current time.
Gurung
Well, I research and read about the Guidestone's hidden meaning of the message to future survivors. It’s said
1.Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. 2.Guide reproduction wisely- improving fitness and diversity.
3.Unite humanity with a living new language.
The Guidestone “rules” are written in eight different languages, so that when people arrive they can read and understand. If people met and they all spoke different languages, so I practice with Ms. Murtha in a class by chance if there is an apocalypse happens and we meet and she spoke in Spanish and I spoke in Nepali and we both don’t understand what we are saying. I don’t understand what she is trying to say and she doesn't understand either. So we come up with a new language. We create a new language, so we both can understand.
4.Rule passion - faith-Tradition- and things with tempered reason.
5.Protect people and nations with fair and just courts.
In the book, the dad tries to protect his son from evil. This would be a good “rule” because people need to help others. If the boy and the dad would’ve made it to the Guidestones, maybe they could meet good people in Guidestones and they don’t have to be scared of them and they can live with them.
6.Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7.Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8.Balance personal rights with social duties.
9.Prize truth- beauty- love- seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not cancer on the earth- leave room for nature-leave room for nature.
1. “He slept little and he slept poorly. He dreamt of walking in a flowering wood where birds flew before them. He and the child and the sky was aching blue but he was learning how to wake himself from just such siren worlds. Lying there in the dark with the uncanny taste of a peach from some phantom orchard fading in his mouth. He thought if he lived long enough the world at last would all be lost. Like the dying world the newly blind inhabit, all of it slowly fading from memory.” -17
I believe this part is important because it shows the father dreaming of a life he wishes he was still living. A life his son could have without worry and the problems they face, but he wakes up to a reality and realizes that the world he dreams of is gone.
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The boy hung on to his father’s coat. No one spoke. He was as burnt looking as the country, his clothing scorched and black. One of his eyes was burnt shut and his hair was but a nitty wig of ash upon his blackened skull. As they passed he looked down. As if he’d done something wrong. His shoes were bound up with wire and coated with roadtar and he sat there in silence, bent over in his rags. The boy kept looking back. Papa? he whispered. What is wrong with the man? -51
This section helps evolve the child's mind into something it wasn’t before. Which is obviously giving him a better understanding of things in life. He worries about others, as he’s not selfish. It helps show how terrible things in life do happen, but as people we can’t let it change who we are.
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“He tried to think about something to say but he could not. He’d had this feeling before, beyond the numbness and the dull despair. The world shrinking down about a raw core of parsible entities. The names of things slowly following those things into oblivion. Colors. The names of birds. Things to eat. Finally the names of things one believed to be true. More fragile than he would have thought. How much was gone already? The sacred idiom shorn of its referents and so of its reality. Drawing down like something trying to preserve heat. In time to wink out forever.” -93
I personally believe this section kind’ve goes together with the first one. I think Cormac McCarthy pushes this idea so much because he’s trying to build an image of how horrendous the world has become. This section gives an image of having to give up on everything that once was, not by choice, but by force as it no longer exists.
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“The old man shook his head. I’m past all that now. Have been for years. Where men can't live, gods fare no better. You’ll see. It’s better to be alone. So I hope that’s not true what you said because to be on the road with the last god would be a terrible thing so I hope it’s not true. Things will be better when everybody’s gone.” -183
I think this segment is one of the most important parts of the story. I believe this because the father tells “Eli” that his son represents an angel in his eyes. Eli regrets the man's statement as it would mean the child takes place of the only hope left, and that without the child all will be extinguished. Eli continues to state that the remaining world would be better off with survivors as they’re tarnishing what's left of such a beautiful thing.
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2. The Georgia Guidestones are a set of rules written in granite that are thought to give orders/rules to a new world in case of a disaster. While the intentions are there, I believe it’s kind’ve a bad idea as not many people would tend to think about religion during a disaster of that magnitude where they’d be needed. They do give some good rules and stuff to an extent, but at the same time they’re kind’ve vague depending on beliefs. It’s not like they point out necessary things for physical survival, it mostly just gives ideas for spiritual survival.
-Mennis
Gurung
Well, I research and read about the Guidestone's hidden meaning of the message to future survivors. It’s said
1.Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. 2.Guide reproduction wisely- improving fitness and diversity.
3.Unite humanity with a living new language.
The Guidestone “rules” are written in eight different languages, so that when people arrive they can read and understand. If people met and they all spoke different languages, so I practice with Ms. Murtha in a class by chance if there is an apocalypse happens and we meet and she spoke in Spanish and I spoke in Nepali and we both don’t understand what we are saying. I don’t understand what she is trying to say and she doesn't understand either. So we come up with a new language. We create a new language, so we both can understand.
4.Rule passion - faith-Tradition- and things with tempered reason.
5.Protect people and nations with fair and just courts.
In the book, the dad tries to protect his son from evil. This would be a good “rule” because people need to help others. If the boy and the dad would’ve made it to the Guidestones, maybe they could meet good people in Guidestones and they don’t have to be scared of them and they can live with them.
6.Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7.Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8.Balance personal rights with social duties.
9.Prize truth- beauty- love- seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not cancer on the earth- leave room for nature-leave room for nature.
On this road, there are no god spoke men. They are gone and I am left and they have taken with them the world. Query: How does the never to differ from what never was?
They are no hop on this earth.
Dark of the invisible moon. The nights now only slightly less black. By day the banished the sun circles the earth like a grieving mother with a lamp.
There is less hop on the earth.
In his dream she was sick and he cared for her. The dream bore the look of sacrifice but he thought differently.
He wants to care
People sitting on the sidewalk in the dawn half immolate and smoking in their clothes. Like failed sectarian suicides. Others would come to help them.
Rai
On this road, there are no god spoke men. They are gone and I am left and they have taken with them the world. Query: How does the never to differ from what never was?
They are no hop on this earth.
Dark of the invisible moon. The nights now only slightly less black. By day the banished the sun circles the earth like a grieving mother with a lamp.
There is less hop on the earth.
In his dream she was sick and he cared for her. The dream bore the look of sacrifice but he thought differently.
He wants to care
People sitting on the sidewalk in the dawn half immolate and smoking in their clothes. Like failed sectarian suicides. Others would come to help them.
“People were always getting ready for tomorrow. I didn’t believe in that. Tomorrow wasn’t getting ready for them. It didn’t even know they were there.” - I think this quote is interesting because it reflects on how tomorrow isn’t promised, and in this story, it’s truly luck if they make it with all the dangers in the world. People never know what will happen, and they don’t usually think about it. The father is talking about how people are always preparing for the next day, yet there’s a chance there won’t be a next day, but it’s always good to hope.
“I’ve not seen fire in a long time, that’s all. I live like an animal. You don’t want to know the things I’ve eaten. When I saw that boy I thought that I had died.” - This quote is interesting because it shows how much these things have changed people, living like animals, not seeing a fire in so long, not recognizing what a boy was. It shows how inhuman humans can become when pushed to the edge.
“When your dreams are of some world that never was or of some world that never will be and you are happy again you will have given up.” - This quote reflects on the dream the father is having, he wants a peaceful world again, a peaceful life. He doesn’t want to be in a constant fight for survival. Yet, if he gets this, he’ll give up, he’ll finally have gotten what he wanted.
“Do you think that your fathers are watching? That they weigh you in their ledgerbook? Against what? There is no book and your father’s are dead in the ground.” - This quote talks about how there is no hope left in their world, they aren’t being protected, or watched over. Whoever wrote this on the page they picked up is saying that all hope is lost and they’re left to defend themselves.
The Georgia Guidestones is a complex structure made during the era of the Cold War to instruct people on how to survive a possible incoming apocalypse.
The rules were:
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. Be not a cancer on the Earth - leave room for nature.
I don’t believe that many of these rules could truly help out the father and boy, mainly because they are trying to survive rather than rebuild Earth’s society. The rules are strictly for rebuilding humanity with its survivors which could possibly come in handy at some point in this story.
-Busselman
Well, the rules are to
1.Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2.Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
3.Unite humanity with a living new language.
4.Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5.Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6.Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7.Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8.Balance personal rights with social duties.
9.Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.
I personally like these rules because they can relate to anyone and it's good advice to follow in the future or even now but in the story the boy and the father are trying to survive but these rules could apply to the story because the father is trying to protect the boy from getting killed but actually the boy tries to protect the father more at the end because he is dying.
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